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of us who say wait a minute, we've lived in urban environment where is the tragedy of gun violence as we saw in the ad is too great not to respond to it. i think the ad is powerful. we can all agree on that. it is an issue that should be debated. >> i think you two have a problem with your president. president obama doesn't support what you want to have happened. >> eliot: you're right. >> he doesn't want to talk about it. >> absolutely. >> he doesn't want to talk about it because he doesn't want to get into that philosophical debate because unfortunately the debate is polarized. once you say common sense gun control. you hear from people who say you want to take away all of my guns. unfortunately, in the debate, even though policywise, there is a middle ground in the rhetorical debate, there hasn't been a middle ground. >> eliot: as with many issues, we move to the extremes where the possibility of forging a consensus in the middle is gone and the nra is taking an absolutist position on the second amendment and othe
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